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Poster: Phuzz73 Date: Apr 12, 2004 12:32pm
Forum: etree Subject: What's gonna happen when....

Whats gonna happen when all(or most)the Dead shows that they ever played are up on this site? Are the downloading speeds gonna actually get slower than they are now? Lets face it the dead have a crap load of shows and its gonna bring down eveything else on the archive. Don't get me wrong I love the Dead but come on man! I really feel like downloading a new SKB show, It should be complete by tomorrow afternoon (if my wife dosen't want to check her mail)...lol Just wondering about the future of the archive...Thanks for listening

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Poster: Chris Mescia Date: Apr 23, 2004 7:09am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: What's gonna happen when....

DANG--- you think that if the show is not done --OVERNIGHT-- then it is too slow for you??? Do you remember the pre internet days when you would read about a hot show, and think, I hope that I find someone who has it on their list this year so I can set up a trade through the mail and they will send it to me (within the standard 1 month for snail mail trade protocol ;^)

Regardless of the band, you were lucky to get a show within a few months of it happening, unless you knew one of the tapers.

I realize things have changed with high bandwidth, but come on now. This is the best site since I don't know what. Dont complain about how spoiled you are...

peace,
Chris

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Poster: Phuzz73 Date: Apr 24, 2004 5:02am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: What's gonna happen when....

lol...yeah I'm spoiled...I used to trade via posts in Relix and at shows, but now with the archive its soooo easy (too easy)...but the speeds had been so fast recently that I could download a show in an hour or so. but recently it would take 45min to a hour to download 1 track. It went from 2 mins a track to that...oh well...just felt like venting because I dont have much time to wait 45min for a song...but hey you're right this site is positively the best.
Peace~Lance

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffInfiniteOhms Date: Apr 12, 2004 1:23pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: What's gonna happen when....

hopefully (and probibly) the archive will get more bandwith and everything will speed up again ... also shows that dont share a common server with the dead collection should be unafected.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Apr 12, 2004 2:52pm
Forum: etree Subject: Download speeds

Are your download speeds slow? I get over 100KB/s from home over my DSL.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffsimon c Date: Apr 12, 2004 3:16pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Download speeds

I wasn't seeing any slowdown until a few days ago (in fact, you may remember me posting on the Etree forums saying that I was surprised at 3-fold download drops!), but now I'm definitely starting to see it.

I'm only getting 50k/sec downloading tonight, and I just tested on DSLReports.com, which did my test transfer at 600k/sec via Speakeasy - a real-world result, not a theoretical maximum, I pay SBCYahoo for 'business' DSL. However, I never got more than 170k/sec from Archive.org before. Of course, the slowness could be exacerbated by other routing problems unrelated to bandwidth max-out, for all I know, but this is the first time I'm really noticing slower downloads.

s!

This post was modified by simon c on 2004-04-12 22:16:00

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbleblanc Date: Apr 12, 2004 3:33pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Download speeds

Just to avoid confusion, in Windows, all your download speeds are in Bytes - i.e. 60kB/sec

However, that speed test over at dslreports.com is in Bits - i.e. 600kb/sec which would translate to 75kB/sec

Did you take that into account with your ISP cap? Just want to make sure we're on the same page. :)

While I'm writing, I'm downloading a STS9 track at 75kB/sec. My Comcast service gives me a cap of 375kB/sec. 375 would be nice, but by no means is 75 slow.

-Brad

This post was modified by bleblanc on 2004-04-12 22:33:12

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffsimon c Date: Apr 12, 2004 3:42pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Download speeds

Hey,

No, that's not right - I'm aware of the difference between kilobits and kilobytes - I used to have a Super Nintendo backup device which billed itself as 24 megabits, heh!

My DSLReports report was about 4900 kilobits a second, which is about 600 kilobytes a second - I promise. I converted the result to kilobytes a second so I wouldn't be confusing.

[I don't have an ISP cap (or much of one) any more, because I paid an extra 15 bucks a month for 'business' class DSL - ie, they take away the cap they put on your line in the first place :P]

Anyhow, my point is, I'm not whining needlessly, just reporting what I see so everyone can compare real-world results.

s!

This post was modified by simon c on 2004-04-12 22:42:58

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Poster: bisq Date: Apr 12, 2004 3:42pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Download speeds

I was getting over 200 KB/sec during periods last week. Even when things are slow I can still download shows way faster than I can listen to them...

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Poster: fez_43 Date: Apr 13, 2004 5:17pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Download speeds

I think we all get so spoiled by this site that we can get testy. I think the dead on here is the best thing since sliced bread, not only because of the insane catalog but also because it will open the doors for more bands to release SBD's in the same way as well as paving the way for all of the post-jerry shows such as otherones 1998 which were hot. Bruce Hornsby cannot be too far behind...and the potential for this site brings shivers to me- as I was an analog trader for a long time. bravo to archive.com and all of the trade friendly artists

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Poster: GrooveGrass Date: Apr 12, 2004 1:32pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: What's gonna happen when....

I love the dead too but i feel like they are completely drownding out the rest of the bands on here. I mean the dead will always dominate the batting average section of this site. is it possible in the future to put the dead on their own archive site and keep the current for everyone else?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffTyler Date: Apr 12, 2004 1:55pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: What's gonna happen when....

please remember to keep a wide angle of focus. True the dead are new and taking a lot of bandwidth, but they are also new on the archive. If you look at this in the true nature of the archive project ... years, decades, etc. .. this moment will only be a blip.

In a month or so all the dead dust will settle and batting averages, download rates, etc will all return to normal. Want to know the future? look to the past: when the archive last had bandwidth problems, more bandwidth was purchased, machines were optimized, and the complaints dropped to 0. This will happen with this situation again, just with time and patience.

Just remember to be thankful that it only takes 2 days to download the latest tasty nugz of SKB and others. I know a friend who moved to a remote section of Russia. Now when he receives a single live disk of some show that happened months ago, he is happy to just have battery power to play it! Be thankful for this great immediate archive we have at our fingertips, and remain humble with how easily we can get shows now. Remember your forefathers of 'by hand' cassette trading at shows.

Tyler

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Poster: GrooveGrass Date: Apr 12, 2004 2:10pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: What's gonna happen when....

I hope I did'nt come off in the wrong way. I am SOOOOO thankful for what the archive has turned into. This is the best site on the internet by far. You raise a good point though about the dust settling. I was just curious. Thanks

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbleblanc Date: Apr 12, 2004 2:47pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: What's gonna happen when....

I mean the dead will always dominate the batting average section of this site

To me, this is a refreshing change over seeing the same Glen Phillips and Jack Johnson shows up there for 9 months straight... Oh wait, there it is again at the top of the list. Let's move Glen Phillips into his own personal Archive too so we don't have to see his name there anymore. :)

-Brad

This post was modified by bleblanc on 2004-04-12 21:47:10

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Poster: GrooveGrass Date: Apr 12, 2004 2:47pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: What's gonna happen when....

hehe I second that

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Apr 12, 2004 3:09pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: What's gonna happen when....

I mean the dead will always dominate the batting average section of this site.

This isn't true. For the science behind battering averages, check out this paper:

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/101/suppl_1/5254

But in short, the batting average will change, so don't you worry.

This post was modified by Jonathan Aizen on 2004-04-12 22:09:36